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PostSubject: aguabats rip off $11,000   Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:30 am

http://www.communityrecords.org/news/

go to that link if you want to read the whole account from Communityrecords who houses two of the artists involved.

Basically there was a ska festival in Denver and the six bands were promised a combined 18,000. In the end the fest only raised 11 grand. The Aquabats, unlike the other more patient bands, had demanded to get half of their guarenteed money before in advance then the other half before the show. Then they simply packed up like nothing happened and left the other guys with no money at all. It was not illegal, but holy fuck this is a dick move.
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PostSubject: Re: aguabats rip off $11,000   Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:39 am

Dude, last.fm was telling me I should have gone to that.
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PostSubject: Re: aguabats rip off $11,000   Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:25 am

I like the Aquabats, they were my first concert actually. Dick move!
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PostSubject: Re: aguabats rip off $11,000   Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:58 am

Lex was showing me this earlier. That shit is so ridiculous. 11 grand for one show? Seriously? This totally reminds me of the song "Gang of Four Meets The Stooges."
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PostSubject: Re: aguabats rip off $11,000   Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:59 am

laurendelore wrote:
This totally reminds me of the song "Gang of Four Meets The Stooges."
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PostSubject: Re: aguabats rip off $11,000   Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:00 am

There is one BtMI! song for every situation in life.
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PostSubject: Re: aguabats rip off $11,000   Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:39 am

wow

i love wixson's song
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PostSubject: Re: aguabats rip off $11,000   Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:18 am

It sounds like a savvy business move to demand half the guarantee in advance and then the rest before going on stage...
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PostSubject: Re: aguabats rip off $11,000   Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:56 am

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It sounds like a savvy business move to demand half the guarantee in advance and then the rest before going on stage...

thats what i was thinking.
while most bands are most likely to get stiffed on pay, they get 11 grand before they play a single note?
while it was a dick move to rip off the other bands, i guess they have got some pretty good management.
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PostSubject: Re: aguabats rip off $11,000   Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:13 am

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It sounds like a savvy business move to demand half the guarantee in advance and then the rest before going on stage...

thats what i was thinking.
while most bands are most likely to get stiffed on pay, they get 11 grand before they play a single note?
while it was a dick move to rip off the other bands, i guess they have got some pretty good management.

But the Aquabats didn't rip anyone off. They got theirs and that's it. The promoter that was promising the remaining $7,000 is the scum here.
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PostSubject: Re: aguabats rip off $11,000   Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:46 am

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the six bands were promised a combined 18,000.

So... How the fuck did they get $11,000?
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PostSubject: Re: aguabats rip off $11,000   Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:47 am

yeah the promoter fucked up big time.
but i feel like if they were aware of the situation, then they certainly could have done something to help the other bands out.
at least helped out with some gas money or something.
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PostSubject: Re: aguabats rip off $11,000   Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:05 pm

But is this not nearly four times the amount they should have gotten to begin with?
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PostSubject: Re: aguabats rip off $11,000   Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:59 pm

You guys are picking on the promoter, but remember, even if he did promise some money, if you were in a band at this show, got $11,000, and found out the rest of the bands got nothing, would you not share?
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PostSubject: Re: aguabats rip off $11,000   Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:56 pm

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It sounds like a savvy business move to demand half the guarantee in advance and then the rest before going on stage...


I have a feeling that the other bands involved don't care much about business though. That's not what it's about. That's why these bands play for labels like Community Records where the albums or at least a preview of the album is always available for free download.

It was legal and from a business standpoint it's ethical. But from the view that music is supposed to be about being artistic, having fun, and making friends this is not cool at all. I've never liked the Aquabats and this really reinforces my opinion.

None of the other bands involved would have done this.
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PostSubject: Re: aguabats rip off $11,000   Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:06 pm

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You guys are picking on the promoter, but remember, even if he did promise some money, if you were in a band at this show, got $11,000, and found out the rest of the bands got nothing, would you not share?


This. I would give the other bands some gas money, at least. Shit.
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PostSubject: Re: aguabats rip off $11,000   Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:10 pm

I didn't know the Aquabats were that high in demand for someone to offer that much money for them! But they are a MAJOR touring band
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PostSubject: Re: aguabats rip off $11,000   Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:33 pm

How do we know the aquabats knew what was going on before they left? I don't really like the aquabats that much, but I can't give them shit for something I wasn't there for. I like community records and most of their bands, but that post seems inappropriate to me.

edit: after some thinking, I'm just more frustrated by this. I looked at their roster of bands. There are some on there that I love both musically AND personally. Bands that always do the right thing and really believe in a musical community. However there are, unfortunately, bands there that have pulled other dick moves to bands, promoters, and their own fans, and I can think of a few instances that specifically involved their guarantee. The post just seems immature and inappropriate.
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PostSubject: Re: aguabats rip off $11,000   Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:52 am

StoolPigeon wrote:
But is this not nearly four times the amount they should have gotten to begin with?

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PostSubject: Re: aguabats rip off $11,000   Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:13 am

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StoolPigeon wrote:
But is this not nearly four times the amount they should have gotten to begin with?

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PostSubject: Re: aguabats rip off $11,000   Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:36 pm

This could be an interesting discussion on artists in the market.

Shouldn't people get paid for their work?

And why should anyone share their agreed upon wage just because someone else's wage was unfair, was never agreed upon, or simply does not exist?

Should someone like Britney Spears or whoever share their earnings with every indie band in the world because of the inequality of pay?
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